He was speaking as part of an on-line debate organised by the Guardian Public Leaders Network under the theme of “spring cleaning civil service skills”, alongside other expert panellists.
Also taking part were Katherine Kerswell, director general for civil service reform at the Cabinet Office; Peter Thomas, director of civil service reform at the Institute for Government; Dr Bharat Vagadia , a board member of the National Outsourcing Association and a director of Op2i; and Melanie Allison, director of Embankment Consulting.
To read the debate visit http://www.guardian.co.uk/public-leaders-network/2013/jan/08/live-discussion-civil-service-skills
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